Welcome to Quiet Mom POTS Talk. I'm Robyn. I'm Zoe. We are here to talk about POTS. this is our second episode about sit breaks, and our first episode went live, so you can already catch it and learn more about who we are and why we're here. So we won't waste your time on that. But you can go listen to our information there. today we are going to talk about sit breaks. So Zoe is, I believe, the creator of sit breaks. Yeah. I am just penning that, that this is a Zoe thing. I'll insert some, but sit breaks has been something that Zoe has been using to manage her pots for a while. what is a sit break, Zoe? Sit breaks are basically exactly what it sounds like. You sit and you take a break. And it doesn't matter if it's, It's like a scheduled break or if it's just because you need time to rest, calm your heart rate, your breathing, just calm down in general. If you need to balance out your circulation, it's a good time to do it. Get in the right position, elevate your feet, make sure your blood isn't pooling anywhere, maybe lay down if you need to. Basically, it's just a time for you to sit and not think about anything, not do anything, give your body and your mind a break. Sit breaks are good because in POTS, you can get, your heart rate will race, your blood will pool, and some people will pass out, right? Yeah. A lot of people with POTS pass out. It's very rare. A very common misconception people a lot of the times think passing out is POTS, or they think if you have POTS, you have to pass out. And that's not the case at all. A lot of people with POTS don't ever pass out. I personally have never passed out. But when I have to pass out. episodes when I stand up or when I move around too quickly or I'm just in a flare, I feel like I'm going to pass out. And that's commonly known as presyncope. I don't know if it's actually really common, but that's what it's called. Presyncope? Yeah, syncope is when you do faint and presyncope is just the feeling like you're going to. So I've seen some I don't know, podcasts or Tik Tok or whatever, where people who have support animals, the dog will warn them and I saw a one recently that the girl was like in a grocery store and she just sat down and the dog like got under her legs and lifted her legs and stuff. And the grocery store workers were like, are you okay? so basically she was doing a sit break in the middle of the grocery store. Yeah, exactly. And that can be. Exactly what it is. You can sit anywhere that you are. If you're outside and it's too hot, find somewhere shady, sit down, maybe even lay down. If you're too active or you've been walking for too long, sit down, give yourself a break. And there's no time limit. Like it doesn't have to be five minutes long. It doesn't have to be 30 seconds long. It can be however long you need it to be. If you need to sit and take a break for half an hour, sit and take a break for half an hour. And if you only need 10 seconds, take those 10 extra seconds. Is there a way that it could be detrimental or dangerous? Could you, if you sit down in the wrong position or for too long or obviously you don't want to sit down in the middle of a street, but I'm not talking about like that kind of a dangerous, but could that be like Stopping too much or slowing down too fast. If you have hypothermia, you can cool somebody down too fast. Or warm them up too fast or whatever. But is there, is that a thing? I don't really think so. There is definitely something to gradually slowing yourself down. If you are exercising or if you are doing something active, probably, not a good idea to go from jogging for five minutes to sitting directly. It's a good thing to give yourself a minute to stand there. Obviously, with POTS, the positional changes, the postural aspect of it is a big problem. It's not something that we're going to want to do going from standing to laying down immediately. There's those stages in between from standing, sitting, maybe even crouching before you sit. I don't think that there's really a worry for having too many sit breaks or taking too many breaks just because if you need to take a break, you should take a break. And it's just like the common sense of if you're hungry, you should eat. If you're thirsty, drink water. If you're tired, go to bed. This is honoring what your body needs. Exactly. And On my Instagram and TikTok, on P.O.T.S. Talk, I talk a lot about just listening to your body and knowing what you need. And that's something that's really hard to get to. I have always been really bad at that. I'll go to the doctor for an injury or something, they'll be like, What's your pain on a scale of 1 to 10? I don't know, I'm still functioning, I'm still moving, but it hurts really bad, obviously, I'm here. It's like, knowing your limits and finding those limits maybe doing a sit break too early a few times or too late a few times might help you find that middle ground and that balance of when you need it. Yeah, so if you get a sit break and you're like, okay, I probably should have done that. Yeah. I think that I like what you said about honoring your body. I used to work with a lot of chiropractors. One of my favorite chiropractors always used to say pain is a warning sign of something that's happening. So if you have pain, do something about it before it becomes an issue Yeah. This is like the sit break is that sort of especially with somebody who has POTS. And if you are someone with POTS, especially if you do faint, sit breaks would be very helpful for that, especially because I've seen videos of other POTSies all the time talking about their episodes and what it feels like to be going into a syncope episode. And there's always those not necessarily always, I don't know from experience, but from what I have seen and heard, there's warning signs to when you're going to pass out. And I have my own warning signs for when I'm gonna feel really bad, or when I'm standing up, or when I'm sitting down, or changing positions, or anything like that. I know when I'm gonna need the extra time and the extra break. So that kind of covers the POTS part of it. And we probably should say a disclaimer, we're not medical professionals. Yeah, we're not. We don't want you to use our advice as medical advice. Talk to your doctor and get your medical advice. We just are giving real life experience, personal experience. Yeah. But so we talked about how That covers it for people with POTS. Yeah. But a sit break really could be helpful for anybody. Yeah. So especially like on the mental side of it, a sit break is not just for your body. I work As a receptionist, so I deal with people all day, non stop, and I'm not, I'm literally wearing a shirt that says do not disturb right now. I don't like people. I don't want to talk to people all day, unfortunately. That is the position that I have. So I need that mental break and that social break from people at the end of the day, or even sometimes throughout the day I will go into a separate room in the office where I'm not in the waiting room and there's not people around because I just need a minute to not deal with that, and It, literally, it can be as simple as that, going into a different room, if you're at an event, or if you're in a crowded space, if you just need some quiet, if you have social anxiety, I have social anxiety, that is very beneficial to just give your brain a break. I think that's, the interesting thing about that is that I am such a people person. I get recharged. I can sit and do your job. I, actually, I couldn't do your job. You could not. You're not organized enough to do your job, but you're peopley enough to do my job better than I do in that aspect. But I would probably end up talking to them too long. Yeah. I would slow down the whole office. But that's true, but When you said I want to correct you for a second because you said you don't like people and it's not that she doesn't like People true. She doesn't like people Yeah Although zoe is very friendly if you ever meet her in person She's nobody ever like when they see me wearing my shirts. I call them my monday shirts. I've got like step back I'm introverting, this one's do not disturb, a beautiful day to leave me alone You Those are my Monday shirts. And everyone, every time I see them, is always I would not have taken you for an introverted person. You're so friendly, you're so nice, you just talk very well with people. Yeah, that's my job. I've done I learned it in school. That's what Growing up and being raised right does to you. She had a very people y person to watch. I did. Okay. Let me see my notes so that we can make sure that we don't get too off topic. So we were talking about everyone can benefit. I am a, I have ADD, ADHD. I don't know what the official term now in the medical world is, but I call it ADD because when I got diagnosed, it was, there was a big put anyways, not going to go into that, but People who have ADD or ADHD have a hard time with transitioning and we struggle to go from one thing to the next and even if it's something that we like or don't like and we don't want to do, it's still hard to get moving to that next thing. So a set break sometimes is good to just reset your mind. Reset. Yeah. So like I would go do a massage and I would just sit there. Before I change my sheets or whatever, because I would have to wait for my client, reschedule them and sit there and then like I would, when I go for drive, sometimes I'll pull into the driveway and I know that everybody does this and this is not necessarily an ADHD thing, If you have the song on, it's in the radio and you have to finish listening to the song, especially if it's a really good song. even if you just get home and you're done driving and you're like, Whoa, you just need that time. Especially if it's a, like a very taxing drive or something. So that's a good time. Those are sit breaks. Those are times that some people might look at this and be like, Oh my gosh, I don't have time to add something else in my life. Cause you have a million doctor's appointments. You have all the other things that you have to do to manage your, Pots or whatever chronic illness you have, but if you don't make the time your body will make the time And that might not be for that. Yeah, that might not be that 10 minute sit break that you needed yesterday That might be two days of feeling like absolute Feeling like your worst self or having the worst symptoms because you pushed yourself too hard and you didn't take the time to relax. You don't want to end up in the emergency room. Yeah, you don't want to have a flare that's going to send you out of work for a few days or unable to do something you were looking forward to. Okay. So we. So yeah, I think that sit breaks are a, I guess we could also correlate sit breaks to like meditation practices or stuff like that. And I think when we were talking about this last week, The other day we were talking about meditation and not everybody thinks that they can meditate. Yeah, I teach in one of my classes that I teach a meditation lesson I get. mind you, it's high schoolers, but I get this from adults. Whenever I talk to them about meditation too, is I don't meditate. This doesn't work. This doesn't do it for me. It doesn't work. When it comes to meditation, when we're talking about the practice of meditation, it does take practice and you have to learn how to do it and you have to be. Open for whatever it is that you're going to get out of it. Yeah. So if you don't want to if you're a high school student and your teacher says we're going to meditate and has you sit still in a room for 10 minutes. You're not passionate about it. and I tell all of them if this didn't work for you, try this again when you're like five years older than now. Yes. But in meditation teachers will tell you that it's a practice. Yeah. So could like your sit breaks, sometimes you have to do your sit breaks at times that are not, just when your body needs it. Yeah, could you do meditation as a practice for learning how to sit break? Personally, I'm gonna sound like one of those cliches Meditation does not really work for me. I'm not a meditator. I have never been good at cleaning Clearing my mind. But, when I do a sit break, when I really need it, and I need to think about nothing, do absolutely nothing, what I revert to is I either think about my breathing, and I'll count my breathing like I'll breathe in, and count as I breathe in, Hold it for however long is comfortable and then breathe out and count as I breathe out. That kind of relates to box breathing. Box breathing also does not work for me because there's too many restrictions. The counting, the numbers, the timelines, everything like that just stresses me out and makes things worse more than it does help. Yeah. I've heard that a lot too because people are like, I can't not think. Can I think about not thinking? How do you not think? I'm thinking about not thinking. And then all of a sudden you're Beating yourself up because you can't think and you're not doing it right, especially if you're a perfectionist. I tend to be a perfectionist and you tend to overthink that. Yeah. So the purpose of a sit break is to not over think that. And I feel like that maybe that's why, and maybe it wasn't a conscious thing that you did. maybe it wasn't a conscious thing that you did, but maybe it was that's why you name it a sit break rather than something else because it could be like, the reason I name it a sit break is because that's literally what it is. I would sit and I would take a break, but I just could never clear my mind when I was meditating. And the only thing I was able to do was like, I would think about the ocean. Cause whenever we would go to the ocean, the only thing that I could hear constantly while we was there was the waves and that I could sit there and listen to the waves and not think about anything else for a whole day. And I'm sure you could relate to that because we both like going to the ocean. I love the ocean. It's my favorite place to go. And there's one. Technique that they teach in meditation. And as a massage therapist, as a former massage therapist, I dabbled a little bit in meditation, but also had to work with my clients to be able to just relax. And sometimes they needed communication or something to guide them. And I've done a little bit of my own meditation practice and have learned about meditation. And obviously I teach about it in one of my classes. So I talk about. Different things like learning how to get yourself to not think, because really you want to be in a spot where you are you are just there, like you just be, and they talk about Oh, pretend that your thoughts are like clouds that pass you by. Cause you really can't control your thoughts. Your thoughts are not something that in your own world, it's not, you can stop them. Sometimes. Sometimes, but it's almost like you can choose to put energy into them. So yeah, it's like in that movie, you can put a pin in it, but it's gonna come back. It doesn't go away. It just stays in that pin. Exactly. One of the, one one of the things that I liked, I think it was on a meditation that I listened to and it was like, imagine your thoughts are like cars drive, like you're watching a road and it's like cars driving by and you can't control the cars driving by. But you can watch the car drive by and then it's gone. You could obsess about that car and watch the car drive by and what kind of car is it and how fast are they going and what are they the cars? It's dirty. It's clean. It's like you can think of all those things, but you don't have to. You can just sit. That's a car. It's going by and then you get back to whatever it is. But I feel like that it's not effective for me to meditate without giving myself. something to focus on. So I usually focus on my breathing. I'll count or I do this with my like sometimes I have, I used to work with special needs kids that sometimes would have outbursts. And I would say things like, I think I've done this with you probably when you were growing up. I would say things like name five things that you can see. And so then they're like a picture, a shoe, a tree, a this, and then four things that you can. It's it's just the five senses counting down from five, right? There's all these different things. So it brings your awareness to something out there. And what that does is instead of you telling your brain to turn off and stop thinking, it distracts your brain. So it gives that moment of whatever was causing that flare up, that flooding, it takes that energy away from there and it gets you thinking of something else. Yeah. In your brain. That works because of that, because it stops that overthinking, that judgmental thinking, the whatever, like five things that you can see. I didn't ask you to tell me what the dog's doing. You see the dog. And so I think the sit break. So if you struggle with sit breaks and you know you're stressing out, and that's the other thing that if you do have a dog that's telling you to calm down or your watch that's yelling at you that you're going too fast and you're like, Oh my God, my heart rates too fast. What do I do? That's when you sit. And if your brain is going, Oh my God, am I okay? Am I having a heart attack? It's going too fast. It's not coming down. It's not coming down fast enough. That's when you just start breathing and you count your breaths. And that's what you don't want to do. You don't want to get caught up in your head. So those are a couple of strategies that you can do that. Sometimes you could another thing is you could tactile things help. So you can touch something. And this is more for the mental side of a sit break. Yeah. So that you can you could touch something or you could pet your dog or you could Tapping. Tapping. Tapping is a really good thing. That's another I hate it, but it's really good for some people. It's another technique for people who are, like, kinesthetic or tactile type people. people. But it's also something that whatever it is, you can do anywhere. Your goal in a sit break is to give your body a break, give your body a break, give your mind to break down. My goal personally for a sit break is to give my body time to reset and recharge to then get through whatever it is that I'm doing next. And that's coming from the POTS y side of it. For other people, it might be that they are trying to calm down from an overwhelming situation, and sometimes that's the case for me, too. Sometimes it's overexerting yourself and needing to literally just give yourself time to breathe and catch up. The need and the reasoning for a sit break is different for everyone and it's not gonna be the same type of sit break for everyone. Each sit break you take is not gonna be the same. Sometimes, on the physical aspect of a sit break, You don't necessarily have to turn off your brain. Yes, sometimes that does help, but it's not necessary. Sometimes if I just need a sit break for my body, if I'm just really overexerted and tired and feeling weak, I will sit there and I'll just scroll on my phone. And that's a sit break. We unintentionally, as humans, take sit breaks all the time. We take brain breaks. That might have been something people learned in school. You take a brain break from doing your math or your reading or whatever and you go draw a picture or something. But. It's different when you need it for your brain and your body, and especially for POTS. And I think that for you, you do, a lot of times you do your Instagramming. Yeah. From your sit break. Yeah. I remember watching you one time and I was like I wonder why she's talking. I wonder if she's getting what she needs out of it. Yeah. A lot of people probably think that about my sit breaks. I do my sit breaks. I sit there. I put my phone up. I record it. I record it. And then I sit and I edit the video. So that really is my sit break. After I do my sit break video, after I talk about what my day was, or whatever it is I decide to talk about in the sit break, I will edit the video. Put on the captions, cut the videos, everything else, and post it. And that editing time, that posting time, is my actual sit break. Because that's when my body is sitting there, not doing anything. Yes, my mind is still working, because I'm listening to it, and I'm Changing things. Sometimes I don't edit it when I'm there. If I need the mental sit break, I will sit there, I'll turn on my music, or sometimes I don't even turn on my music, and I just sit there. I wanna just give a plug for your sit break because there it's called Sit break account. It's called P.O.T.S. Talk, which it's P period O period The name on my account is Zoe's Pots. Okay. Z O E S. POTS. So we'll link it, we linked it in our first website in the show notes, I forgot to check the show notes to see how they turned out, but whatever, but we'll link it in our show notes and you'll also be able to go to our Instagram and then find P.O.T.S. Talk from there too. But If you are a person who has POTS, especially, Zoe has tips that she gives. She talks about her set break and her experience and where she's at. And it's not always about POTS, but what I really like about it is just that there's always. A little snippet. It's just a short time that you're talking like 10 or 20 seconds, but even people who don't go onto Instagram to watch reels, which this is the funny thing is that every and I'm going to call him out, he's probably going to be mad, but every day dad watches your sit breaks. Yes, he does. And that makes me so happy. Like one time I saw we were at the farmer's market, I think. And he was like, I was talking about something and he was like, yeah, I saw your video. And then. Couple times later I saw him, he was like, I was seeing your videos and he always will ask me, How are you doing? I've been watching your videos. And it's so cool because it's I don't talk to my dad every day, but he hears from me every day. And it's funny because he's not one. He doesn't really listen to Reels or whatever. And if he does, they're like, F1 or yeah, that golf that him and his buddy men stuff and boy stuff, but so it's funny. It's really cute to see that. Okay. Benefits of pop talks. We we talked about we talked about how it's a little bit of, about meditation. We talked about how you can do it anywhere. We talked about how that it's a reset for your body and your mind. It can benefit anyone. Is there anything that we are missing? We did the who, what, when, where, why? I think just one thing specifically is making sure you're comfortable. And, my car is comfortable. I know some people don't necessarily feel too comfortable sitting in a car's seat. If that was the case for me, then I would probably sit inside at work still and do it. But, making sure that you're in a comfortable position. If it is a situation where your blood is pooling, maybe elevating your feet or your arms or laying down, If you're having a really hard time breathing, maybe if you have an inhaler, take the inhaler, making sure you're getting somewhere that has good, fresh air. Just being in a comfortable position mentally. Not necessarily mentally, because obviously you might start off in a bad place mentally if you're needing a sit break. But making sure that you're comfortable physically and in a comfortable environment is really important. And obviously in a safe environment. Yes. Yeah. My sit breaks will probably be much more intimidating once it starts getting dark at night because I don't work in the safest environment. I might wait and do them when I get home. But we'll see what happens because obviously I'm not gonna know until I get there, right? Just knowing your surroundings And if you aren't have you ever fallen asleep during it's a break. No, I haven't probably Okay, if you did, yeah, my sit breaks don't last very long most of the time And if they do it's when I'm at home and I'm not doing anything else or I have the time to Lay there and do nothing for awhile, which I think everybody who's done meditation has fallen asleep during a meditation before I think the thing that I like the most about what you said about sit breaks and what I think is a good lesson for people to learn is to honor what your body needs and giving yourself a sit break is a time for you to stop and Do what your body needs. And that's just to calm down. yesterday I had a really, this is a me story and this has nothing to do with a sit break, but it has to do with honoring your body. I have been on the go, like really hardcore for a week and a half getting ready for school because it's those of you who don't know, I am a school teacher, I teach high school. We start our first day of school in the district is tomorrow. My official, my first day of school is actually Wednesday, my students come back, but I started back last week. So Monday through Friday, I was in meetings and such. And Saturday we had a busy day and we went to the Seahawks game and then Sunday I could not get myself up out of bed. I was so exhausted. Yeah. I just was like, I don't know why I didn't, we didn't like, we went to the Seahawks game, but we didn't stay like I was in bed by midnight. And there are many days that I get to bed after midnight. When I'm not at a Seahawks game and I'm not doing things, but it just was a long day. I had so much that I wanted to get done yesterday and I wanted to get up and get moving and do these things. And I just could not drag myself out of bed. But then my husband, I was texting him. I'm like, I don't know why I can't get out of bed. I'm so tired. I'm so mad at myself. And he was like, dude, you've been going hardcore for a while and maybe your body's telling you, you need to rest and you need to give yourself a little bit of grace. So that was definitely something that I probably needed to hear, especially from him because I felt like I needed to do his laundry and I needed to do clean the house and go grocery shopping. Still haven't gone grocery shopping, but all of the things, but I think sometimes you just need to learn how to listen to your body. And especially if you're a person who has a chronic illness and pots, you just have to listen to your body. And sometimes It just takes it doesn't take that long to do a sit break. Sometimes if you catch it early enough, you only need five or 10 minutes. You won't need, it doesn't need to be a long time. And if you think about it, you probably already are doing a sit break, but if you're a little bit more intentional with that time and it can give your body that time to recover, and then you can, instead of getting mad at yourself for sitting on your phone and scrolling for 15 minutes, you can go, I just gave myself a sit break and my body needed that. Yeah. If scrolling on your phone is your sit break, that's okay. But as long as, I don't even want to say as long as you're being intentional, but sometimes that's whatever it is that works for you. I think is what we want to get out there, but everybody could really use a sit break at least once a day, but we probably do take more than just one. For sure. But giving yourself that. And I don't have just my one sit break at the end of the day. I take sit, whoo, I take sit breaks throughout the day, too. And I'm fortunate to have a job where that's an option. Some people, they just get their sit break. 10 minute breaks or half hour lunch or whatever. But I have a flexible position where if there's no one that's checking in and there's nobody that I have to schedule, the phone's not ringing, I can sit there for a minute and give myself a second to just breathe and to just take a break. And really, honestly, even if you work and let me. Maybe if you're a factory worker, you can't do that, but cause you don't want things to pile up on you, but yeah, but there are, most of us have moments, we get, we all get that time. And if you don't, you need to talk to your boss and advocate for yourself so that you can take time to just be able to breathe. You can take 30 seconds and do a box breathing, like one of 30 seconds is not going to It should not cost you your job. And especially if you do have an illness. That you need to manage in your or give yourself time in the day when your body needs it. It's not, there's no prescription, this many hours, this long of a break. It's listen to your body and do what works for you. I think that's it for sit breaks. What do you have going on next week? This coming week, I have chiropractor, physical therapy, then we're going to the concert. Huh. Which. Managing events with POTS, which this can be like a whole nother episode, but managing events and activities with POTS is really difficult. We were planning to go to the Bite of Seattle this year, and I was really looking forward to that, but I just was not up for it that day. My body was not up for it. for it. I wasn't feeling good. And that's something that's really hard to come to terms with when you're not feeling good but you want to do something. I'm a FOMO person. Yeah. So it's hard for me. And I don't listen to my body. And I'm not even, I'm not even a FOMO person. I don't care if I miss stuff. Like I really don't. But I was looking forward to that. long time before it happened, and I just couldn't get myself to do it the day of because it was an hour away, and it would have been a lot of walking, a lot of Event, eventful stuff and Peopling and it was hot out and just all kinds of different things that would have made everything Probably a hundred times worse for me if I would have ended up doing it, right? So So, you've got that going on and then I have, it's my acupuncture week, too. Nice! I'm trying, I'm gonna try and get acupuncture this week, too, because I feel like I really need it. My anxiety has been really high lately and I think that has to do with, a lot of the stuff that I have coming up doctors wise like in the beginning of the month next month And I guess that is literally next week. That's terrifying. I have an electrophysiology appointment and That is basically to see if I need heart surgery of some sort what would that do would that shock your heart? So that is actually not for POTS. That's for super ventricular tachycardia or svt which is actually This appointment that you're talking about next week. So it's a different thing. It's a different thing entirely, but funnily enough, I was diagnosed with it last year in like October. So before I was even diagnosed with POTS. And then because of my POTS diagnosis, just completely forgot it existed until the last time I just saw the cardiologist in like June or July. So yeah, that was a fun thing. So are those two things that are related? They're related. They're not necessarily related. They don't. come along together or anything like that, but they are similar. Superventricular tachycardia is just an abnormally or randomly high heart rate. Randomly, my heart will just spike up and with POTS, it's posturally related. Our next episode we have scheduled to be titled Life with Pots, so you're giving a little preview about doctor's appointments and things like that, so next week we'll get into a little bit of dealing with that because it's because Obviously, we have the sit break thing and the physical aspect of POTS on your health and how it affects you and your body and your movement every day. But there's also just managing POTS. And I think this probably can really relate to a lot of people who have chronic illness or getting to the diagnosis because sometimes it's not something that's diagnosed right away. Yeah. So next week will probably be more just like talking about my symptoms and what I go through and different things that I have to do to keep up with it. Not necessarily management because management, that's a whole nother topic. There's so much. We're talking about life with POTS. Yeah. So just about like just what, like maybe a day in the life of a person with POTS. Yeah. Like the different symptoms that can come up, the different experiences that you may encounter different. Reactions, different things that just affect your life. Yeah, different things that affect your life and how you have to live differently because of it. Okay. So we will touch on some stuff that like, I feel like every episode we Ooh, this could be a whole nother episode. Yeah. So today's lesson was events. So we'll circle back with events in a while. But then next week we will talk about just dealing with life with pots. I'm excited for our concert. Yes. This this is two years in the making. We've had these tickets for years. we're going to the Metallica concert. I'm gonna say it. Hopefully they don't kick us off or take us out of the thing. We won't play their music on the broadcast. That's definitely would get us shut down. Yeah. But I don't feel like saying a name of somebody would get you taken off. I don't think it's, I do believe there's still tickets to So we'll put that in there This is the last like family event that we purchased. Yeah, we, I think we bought these tickets before you guys, before I moved out. I think it was before you moved out. It was before I got my last concussion. So it was at least while I either while I was in Bellingham for college or before I left for Bellingham Oh my gosh, that was so long two years ago. It's crazy. So anyway, so I'm excited for That's I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking I'm really having a lot of emptiness syndrome with this The empty nest syndrome. Yes. Cause I'm just really sad that I can't like just walk over and give him a hug and tell him I love him and touch his face and it sounds weird, but all of the moms listening right now will totally understand. Oh my gosh. The moms who have kids have left the house, which right now that's going around. teenagers. are leaving to go to college right now. And a lot of us are going through the dropping the kid off, and one of my friends posted today that she left her, part of her heart in Kansas. my god, that's so far away! I know. So anyways, but we should probably We'll wrap it up now. Wrap it up. We could sit here and talk all night. Before we get too mushy gushy. I know. I'm gonna start crying if you don't stop. We're good. But thank you, everyone, for listening. If you liked this episode and this is working for you, we would love it if you would follow for more. Follow, download, and share. Sharing is really the thing that I, that is super helpful for us. Share with your POTSie friends. Or your mom friends. Yeah. So anyways, thank you guys for coming in today and it was great to see everyone. We'll be back next week with Life with Pots. Life with Pots next week.